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Road in.. fairly good shape, there are some washouts that might require shovel work to get a vehicle in that doesn't have a good entrance/exit angle.

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Awesome ride, would you recommend a Jeep? I know there are some who love them and those who hate them. I just want something that can get me almost anywhere. What would you suggest? 

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Well, like everything in the world.. it's about what compromises you can handle.  Jeeps have their good points and bad points.  I think the new JK wranglers are pretty well sorted out, the aftermarket options are of course insane.   Storage space and towing capacity are very limited in wranglers, the 4 door has more room and can safely tow a bit more however you also pay for that with more weight and a larger turning radius.

Some of the nicer sounding features like the Rubicon electronic disco sway bar, don't work very well at all.  And they seem to spend too much time trying to confuse everything with all the darned whacky special editions they have now.  And AFAIK they haven't bothered to fix some of the core problems like using the wrong bolts for the track bars and control arms....  pretty much everyone replaces them.

And forget about used for the most part, 100% of the lifts I saw on used Jeeps for sale were installed wrong and typically junk..look up 'death wobble' on youtube for why you want to be careful of lifts.  Used Jeep sellers typically think they are worth a fortune as well. 

If you want serious off road capability in a road worthy vehicle it'll end up costing.  Our Jeep isn't built up much, full coverage skid plates, sliders, sway-loc front sway bar, 31" LT tires..just basic stuff to harden to improve our odds of coming home safe.  Probably added $3k + my time installing and that was just to make it adequate ;-).

As long as you don't mind the gas mileage, it's a good vehicle for around town as well... the size and turning radius make parking a breeze..  My wife doesn't mind driving it (vs. the RAM 1500..).. The motor is great, gobs of power... oil changes are super easy (cartridge filter on the top of the engine) well proven engine that's been around for a while.


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Thank you, sounds like the JK Wranglers would be the way to go. I wonder if the Power Wagon has the same issues with the electronic sway bar disconnect?

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8 hours ago, Bob said:

Thank you, sounds like the JK Wranglers would be the way to go. I wonder if the Power Wagon has the same issues with the electronic sway bar disconnect?

There are two electronic sway disco issues, first if they tend to not connect/disco unless the vehicle is absolutely level.  In the case of the JK it'll simply give up, you may have to hit the switch and the rock the vehicle side x side to get it to work.  The other issue is the motors seem to jam up really easy.  IMO if you need to disco you'll likely be getting out to air down anyway so manual options may be just as good.  If you're lifted it's even easier to get under and disco, lots of options for that. 

IMO if at all possible having something designed for off road is often a better choice, trailer in the off road rig (atv/utv/built jeep).  If you're into 'do it yourself', and not in a hurry perhaps start monitoring CL, you might be able to find an older Jeep that someone has built up properly already..

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9 minutes ago, Bob said:

Thanks Brenden, I think you're 100% right, a dedicated off road rig would probably be best. How are you liking your new bike? 

It's awesome... been riding with a few other locals, went up to the lagomarsino petroglyphs this last Saturday... passed a group of 4 unimogs...they'll go anywhere just maybe not fast ;-).  I'm still building up stamina... off road riding means a lot of standing on pegs, imagine 4 hours where 50% or more of your time is spent doing body weight squats....  I come back from these typically my quads are sore for several days... every time I go out I bounce back a little faster.

So far the only thing that turned me around was a 2 track trail that turned into a single track mountain bike trail winding down the side of a fairly steep hill..  If it didn't appear to keep going for 10 more miles, I might have tried to use it to get to a better road.. I was also on a 'lunch' ride so needed to get back to work at some point ;-)'

That being said, I learned to ride in the dirt.... and I think my unicycling experience helps with balance as well ;-).    It works for me....

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    • Nice stuff. There is a school out by my neck of the woods built in a similar fashion. I'd go take pictures of it but rumor has it there's a guy living in there who's a little on the unhinged side. I think a lot of the schools built out West in that era were based all on the same basic pattern.
    • give public restroom a whole nother meaning...
    • Talking of my interpretation of these pictographs and petroglyphs, I thought I was the geek but the rumors where I'm from says that the americans had multiple language families in 1492 something Indo-European speaker never had.  This collection you documented just reconfirms it for me.  
    • That looks some kind of wagon to me. Or maybe a trailer. Probably used to haul the stuff came from the mining site.
      That trail reminds me of our first trail trip with our '88 Wrangler YJ. Hoping to finish its restoration and install the Smittybilt SRC roof rack thing coming month.
    • lol I have a friend in Cheyenne when I visit him I'll have to visit here!