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The problem around here is that most of the SAR is made up from transplanted city people who think because they have a 4x4 or an ATV and they went to a class they can handle anything. The guy in charge power tripped from what I hear and chased everyone off that would have been a valuable asset. I've never heard of anyone claiming they could smell a snake. I'm not even sure how that'd be possible unless they have scent glands? But I agree, smell helps a lot.
I picked up a used Thule rack for the Scout on Ebay, I have yet to mount it as the mounting I have planned works in conjunction with the cage I yet to build. But IIRC I got it for about half what a new one went for and it was pretty much in brand new shape. Then worse case you might have to buy the exact brackets for your Durango, but it might be worth looking into, maybe even check out Craiglist.
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On my Scout I run 33" BFG M/T's and air down to 15 lbs. when I'm going to be exploring for any amount of time. I use the Stahn deflators, the ones you can set yourself. I air up using CO2, I can air up all four tires in about 5 minutes unless it's real cold or real humid and then the valving likes to freeze up. I can usually get about 25 air ups out of a tank and a refill is around $10-15 depending on where I get it. Plus I can use an air nozzle to blow dust off stuff as I have the tank regulated down to 125 PSI. I also have the Rancho adjustable shocks, if I know I'm in for a bumpy ride I can turn them off and with the air down it's not too bad a ride. Having leaf springs on all four corners can be like riding a bull sometimes. Everything else I haveor have had that is 4X has the sensors and damn warning lights and buzzers so I don't bother airing them down.
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I've been meaning to organize and list mine, I keep buying books I already have I'll have to get a list together and post them here, though I also collect general history books concerning Nevada. Just got 2 more rare ones for Christmas on Lincoln County, NV.
Some of us have a running joke around here about our SAR needing SAR to find them when they go out looking for someone. Lots of people with good intenetions but not enough training. Then you get some guy who wants to play sheriff and he chases off all the guides, ranchers and long time residents who know the area and know how to survive. One coworker even told his wife he'd rather die lost than be found by them, and if she ever called them to look for him he was going to divorce her.
I'm kinda lucky, they make a larger tank for the Scouts so I have a 33 gallon tank, plus 2 - 5 gallon jerry cans mounted to the back end. I fabbed my own swing out carrier and bumper, and put the cans between the spare tire and tailgate. If I get hit hard enough to drive the 33" spare through the carrier and into the cans, spilled fuel or fire is likely the least of my issues. You're probably limited on swing out carriers due to not having a real rear bumper, but I see plenty of Cherokee's and similiar SUV's running around with roof racks and gas cans strapped down. If you do go with jerry cans, I recomend the "NATO" style which uses a hasp lid instead of the spin on lid like typical jerrys. I have 4 of them and they work great, they don't leak and I can lay them flat or on their edge. The only issue is they will splash a little gas when you open them if you do any altitude climbs or they sit in the heat, but not anything worse than a typical jerry. Plus the fill spouts can suck if you don't get the right one. The all metal ones leak, where as the rubber hose ones tend to be fine. I got my last two from Sportsman's Guide as they were the cheapest source http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/us-military-surplus-style-20l-5-1-4-gal-jerry-can-olive-drab.aspx?a=984598 and I got my filler neck at a surplus store. A side note: California is very strict on fuel cans/storage. I know the cans have to be self closing to prevent fire or spilling, and they have to be contained in a certain fashion. If you venture into CA, you might want to look into the laws to be safe. You might be fine 99% of the time, but all it takes is one bored or pissed off CHP to ruin your day.
Likely the Antiquities Act http://www.nps.gov/history/local-law/anti1906.htm IIRC any site older than 50 years is considered applicable. It's kind of a slippery slope on what is covered or not though. A ghost town or mine, highly likely. A sheep herders shack out in the hills that even the BLM is unaware of? Probably not. Unless you find something really neat and the gmen want it for themselves. I think most state laws are just an extension of it, basically giving governors or historical societies power to grant coverage to a particular site. Plus it probably depends on the governing body too. I think a state or municipal enentity can enact a law faster on their land than the gmen can on public. But I think having artifacts in a museum makes more sense than being under a lake of water and mud. Besides I'm sure divers have long ago hit the site for anything really valuable.
GaryB replied to Bob's topic in General Abandoned Places, Ghost Town and Historic Sites DiscussionsI've heard of counties going in and trying to tax the land owners/site claimer for buildings or "improvements" of long established mine sites. It doesn't surprise me, counties are either being forced to look for more revenue because the feds take and take or they're just greedy and looking for their chunk of the pie. It's just BS that if you file a claim on an old site, and there happens to be structures or buildings on it, they feel you should pay for it even though they haven't been getting taxes on the site for over 50 years. Forbid anyone try to establish a new venture that might employ people and thus make more tax money without first taxing them into the poor house. But the biggest issue is reclamation by the BLM. Millions are set aside from taxes and mining claims plus what ever the feds divvy up to go in and remove everything man made and in most cases fill in the shafts or implode adits. Sometimes they put in bat girders in the shafts and adits if they find nesting, but when they are done, usually very little remains. Though it does seem to be on a case by case or more likely region by region situation. The Vegas BLM I feel believes in removing anything and everything while some of the rural BLM offices look at cleaning up hazardous waste and removing unsafe structures while leaving as much history alone as possible. Then again it likely boils down to the specific field director. There's places I have found that with out specific GPS coordinates very few people would come across, those I tend to keep to myself though I make the pictures public, can't hurt anything if they don't know where it is. Like others have said though, if it's a well known, especially published place, you're likely not going to do anymore damage than has been done by saying where the picture was taken. And I have turned in "diggers" before, though I doubt very little was ever done to follow up.
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Not really. It just snowed when I was trying to hunt, and having to plow the snow cut into my hunting. There was enough snow in spots to make areas inaccessible though.
Had tag soup this season. Weather was crappy for my Dad's hunt and too much snow for mine. Other than that I am as good as can be considering some issues of late.
GaryB replied to Bob's topic in General Abandoned Places, Ghost Town and Historic Sites DiscussionsThere are some by Calico, not sure where or what the actual name is. The canyon pics look familiar. I know a few of the members in my offroad club have been there.
GaryB replied to Bob's topic in General Abandoned Places, Ghost Town and Historic Sites DiscussionsHey Bob try going here http://www.nbmg.unr.edu/index.html enter Summit King or Dan Tucker in the search field top right and it'll give you some info on the area. Looks like it was mostly a pre WWII gold operation. I use the site to research info on mines all the time. There's not much info on ghosttonws related to the mines per say, but sometimes they give details on how many worked there and when and may list the nearest town to the mine.
South Pass City, approximately 90 miles north of Rock Springs, is a historic site administered by the state of Wyoming. It consists of over 30 log, frame, and stone buildings, along with the Carissa Mine and Stamp Mill.
South Pass City Historic Site
Recently, I’ve been going through my old VHS video tapes and digitizing them to DVDs. These tapes contain my travels and explorations between 1995 and 2009. I thought I’d start releasing some video shorts of my early travels on this forum.
The back story for this particular video is as follows. On March 30, 1996, I made a short hike of about a mile and a third up the lower third of Surprise Canyon, on the western slopes of the Panamint Range, Inyo County, California. This canyon is just outside of Death Valley National Park. This canyon has running water running year round through the stretch shown, fed by substantial Limekiln Springs, and the canyon is a water wonderland. For those not familiar with the area, refer to the two maps. The first one shows the canyon in relation to the region, the other a close up of the canyon and the ghost town of Panamint City. The blue line in the close up image shows the route that was taken.
My next series of videos will be based on a trip in 2000 that I took with Lew Shorb. Lew is a board member here, as well as owner of the popular website http://www.ghosttownexplorers.org/ghost.htm
In breaking with my past habit of culling out historical sites and ghost towns and creating short videos dealing with these, I decided to keep the exploring part of Explore Forums in and create videos of each day of my travel and exploration, including our camps. Scenery, travel, camping ghost towns and wide open spaces.
Part one of this series, as well as subsequent videos, will all appear here within this same thread. Part I will start in my garage, where I was finishing up with the packing my truck. The following day, after work, I begin my travels to meet Lew Shorb at Rhyolite, Nevada ghost town.
Our three day, two night travels prowled about the "Nevada Triangle" section of northeastern Death Valley National Park; and will include such sites as:
1. The Las Vegas & Tonopah Railroad
2. Gold Bar
3. Phinney Mine
4. Strozzi Ranch
5. Currie Well (LV&T RR)
6. Mud Springs Summit (LV&T RR)
7. Happy Hooligan Mine
This video, that of March 30th and 31st, will start off this series; and is brief, only being 3:28 long. Nevada-Triangle_Shorb-2000_Part-1.wmv
So, below is my narrative of part one of this series to give full context of what is seen in the video. It will probably take longer to read than the video is long.
Exploration Field Trips:
May 1-3, 2000
Trip with Alan Patera and Alan Hensher into Death Valley
What do you do with three authors, two 4x4’s, two two-way radios, three cameras, and camping supplies? Send them to Death Valley, of course. For three days in the first week of May, 2000, fellow authors and historical researchers Alan Patera, Alan Hensher and myself explored Death Valley north and south.
Alan Patera writes and publishes the WESTERN PLACES series of monograph books. Alan Hensher has been published in several periodicals as well as authoring several books, centering primarily on the history of Mojave Desert sites.
Alan Patera, who hails from Oregon, came south to California and picked up Alan Hensher; then the two came my way. At the time I was living in Ridgecrest, California. After overnighting with my wife and I, the three of us took off for Death Valley. Alan was busy researching and photographing for a future edition of WESTERN PLACES, this time centering on the camps of the Funeral Range, which forms the eastern border of east central Death Valley. Circumstances and changes of our journey lead Alan to plant the seeds of two more future books, this time centering just outside the northernmost section of Death Valley.
Northern Nevada, Southwestern Idaho
(and a Blip of Southeastern Oregon Thrown in for Good Measure)
June 19 - 28, 2001
This is the trip that I consider to be my favorite trip I have ever undertaken. It had been in the planning stages since the previous December. Originally, quite a number of people were invited and had semi-committed themselves to come along. Over time, however, eventually the number of people whose semi-commitments became firm commitments to this trip narrowed to four. And I was one of them.
Below, a list of historic locations we visited – in the order that we visited them:
1. Bodie & Benton Railway, California.
2. Stillwater, Nevada.
3. White Cloud City (Coppereid), Nevada.
4. Unionville, Nevada.
5. Midas, Nevada.
6. Spring City, Nevada.
7. Paradise Valley, Nevada.
8. Buckskin, Nevada.
9. National, Nevada.
10. Delamar, Idaho.
11. Silver City, Idaho.
12. Rio Tinto, Nevada.
13. Pattsville, Nevada.
14. Aura, Nevada.
15. Cornucopia, Nevada.
16. Edgemont, Nevada (from a distance – on private property)
17. White Rock, Nevada (from a distance – on private property)
18. Tuscaurora, Nevada.
19. Dinner Station, Nevada.
20. Metropolis, Nevada.
21. Charleston, Nevada.
22. Jarbidge, Nevada.