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I'll discuss privately if the other party isn't an assclown. Example, I'll tell Bob about what I find and where I go, and he does the same. I help him figure out land status when I can, and he clues me in to places that are worth going. Since this is really his income source, he has more time to dedicate to the recon portion of things. And if I have a suggestion on a place, I'll tell him if he hasn't already been there. Bob also isn't really a mine explorer per se. Whether he's smarter than me, has a different risk tolerance, or just found that his audience doesn't care as much for the innards of old mines is irrelevant to me. He does what he does, but there are places both of us can like and appreciate on different levels. Plus, he's proven himself to be an actual explorer, which is pretty rare. As far as artifacts go, that's a different story. I'm always torn about that, as folks can deduce from my past posts. Personally, I don't have space for stuff, so the decision is easy - leave it be.
These are some of the things we look for when a subject is presumed deceased, or there is a strong chance that they are deceased. When I referenced BMI, I'm assuming high BMI due to body fat, not muscle (e.g. some body builders have super high BMIs, but virtually no fat - one reason the BMI system is a bucket of fail). The decomposition of the lipids for a body left in-situ creates a 'ring' where plant life will not grow for some period of time. The amount of time depends on the amount of body fat decomposed into the soil, the 'washing' effects of wind, rain, and runoff, and the tolerance of any native plant species to the compounds left in the soil. Another one is mounding. There are naturally barren areas in nature (Clear Creek in California, full of serpentinite is a good example) not caused by organic decomposition. However, the decomposition of collagen compounds will tend to attract any wind-blown dirt and dust, causing an odd accretion of 'dirt' that very roughly outlines the size and shape of the body, or what was left of the body. This tell is not obvious, and is easy erased by running water. It's 'good' for maybe a year after the disappearance. For a body still somewhat intact in a green, vegetated areas, the off-gassing caused by decomposition can brown immediately adjacent greenery. This is similar to the effects of geological off-gassing in volcanic regions that will brown and kill nearby plants or trees. Again, this is a more short term indicator, but if someone goes missing in winter, is 'preserved', then undergoes rapid decomposition in the spring thaw, these spots can sometimes be easily seen from the air. A field of green, and a weird patch of oval or elongated brown (most common with grasses). Finally, look for odd shaped rocks, about the size of a human head. In an arid environment, the head will dessicate fairly quickly, due to all the openings (eyes, mouth, nose, ears, spinal attachments, even the sinuses). Skin will 'leather' out, and the soft tissues of the eyes, mouth, and nose will be long gone. What you're left with is something that looks oddly like a grey, leather rock or bowling ball. A gentle tap with a stick or pole will result in a hollow 'thud', of obvious reasons. Finally, the easiest one is just using a cadaver dog. A well-train dog AND a well-trained handler can locate remains in excess of 25-30 years old. This is incredibly challenging for the dog, because the scent profile to the dog is about the same as the scent profile a human gets from a brick - not much. At this point, the dog is really trying to sniff out bone fragments, though a few theories and studies suggest that some dogs are able to smell DNA remnants trapped within the intraosseous spaces (a similar profile to cancer sniffing dogs, being able to isolate odors of individual cell types). The latter part of this is theory, but cadaver dogs themselves exist and have been effective in the past. Or, we just keep eyes open and look for bones sticking out of the ground.
Human remains are scavenged and displaced a lot less than one would think. I don't know why (could be we smell really bad), but most cases of consumption by animals involve the human being taken down as prey. Does it happen? Yes. Is it common? No. A lot of things come into play, like the local animal population, other sources of food, local climate, and so on. There are also several 'tells' that bodies leave behind sometimes, depending on the BMI of the individual. It's pretty fascinating stuff, really.
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Looks like it may be soggy this weekend. If so, I guess I'm back to playing electrician and swapping out old switches and outlets, building a table for the Ammo Plant, and whatever else needs to get done around the house. Oh yeah, oil changes.
We made it out there via the eastern entry point (80/95 interchange, Rest Area exit). Berm to Copper King turnoff was nothing for the truck. I just roll over crap like that. There had been some recent use of the short road out to the shaft and dumps, based on fresh tracks. We found some so-so ore samples, some nice quartz bits, and I came away with a few nice chunks of garnet crystals. There are more out there, which may require a return trip. After lunch we shot a little, and then headed over to Copper Queen. Not much left there, so we checked out Hard To Find. Same thing. Around lunch time, I could hear people shooting off to the south of Copper King, and I could barely make out the glint of a vehicle. I think they were at the Hard to Find - we found a couple dozen fresh 5.56 casings at HTF. But they vanished, most likely off towards Jessup. I had no info on the road conditions from HTF to Jessup, and it was getting on 1530. So we doubled back, took a short cutoff to the main road, and went out the same way we went in. I saw the buildings out to the west of Copper King - they looked fairly well built, from a distance - not sure I'd call them a shanty town. But I didn't get close enough for a good look, and had no desire to do so We ended up using a soft dirt hill for a backstop, facing ENE. So other than some noise, they'd have had no reason to complain. I pondered driving down to the power lines and trying that road to get back onto 80, but again, late in the day and minimal provisions (plenty of water, just not a ton of food and more importantly, no coffee). Still, it was a fun day. We may attempt Jessup from the I-80 side (maps suggest it's doable) in a few weeks. I think this weekend I'm going to head out towards Como for a look-see, and maybe a little further East. There are some spots towards Yerington I want to explore eventually. And I'm looking for a 600-1000 yard shooting lane. An old missile base? Now THAT sounds interesting. More interesting than dust mine timbers and ancient rusty can fragments. Though I was able to teach her that motor oil used to come in cardboard cans with metal tops/bottoms after we found a lid at Copper King. If you get stuck or break down, just hit up my mobile. I can always mount rescue mission easily enough. Family is liking the new place. Needs more work than we initially thought, but mostly cleanup and touch-up. Still, so worth it.
Oh, I learned something interesting about Toulon and all the trailers and junk out there. According to LE (Sheriff), it's basically a registered sex-offender haven. The owner of the property rents out places to folks on the state offender registry. Even if I could get in, that pretty much strikes the place off the list of places to explore. Huh. Older kid and I are heading out that way shortly for the same thing. Going to poke around Copper King, maybe Copper Queen. Unclear what the road conditions are. If she doesn't get her ass in gear most riki-tik, she's gonna get left behind, though. *grumble*
Hell or high water, I’m heading out Sunday morning to find some range time with my new Glock. Hopefully the grip extensions will be here by then. No idea where I’ll go, probably somewhere out around Lovelock-ish, or closer. At worst, I’ll head north up 447 to a spot (Bob knows) and rip off some rounds into a big dirt hill. Course im spending all day Saturday in the Bay Area training SAR n00bs. So I should be just tired enough to not care about my shooting, but not so tired that I want to sleep all day.
Pull the magazine apart, and trim a bit off the spring. It's an iterative process, until you get easy insertion with still-reliable feeding. Probably why Glock sells a 9-rd version of that magazine (or they did a while ago. And. Holy Crap. I can go out and buy a Glock 42 right now, if I want. And not wait. Well, not longer than it takes for the NICS check. I think I'll just wait until my NV license shows up, then I'll go visit WCSO, update my CCW address, and buy w/out going through NICS (and saving the $25 bucks!!) F**k You, California. Just. F**k. You. I think I'll go order some AR magazines now. And once Man Cave is done, I'll pull mag locks off.
I don't think you stupidly stumble 8 miles into a place like that when folks are in pursuit. More to this, though it could be as simple as a mentally ill conspiracy type, or something nefarious. We'll never know.
Helmet, 3 sources of light and an O2 meter are all you really need. Light is easy, helmets are cheap (hard hat will do), and the disposable O2 meters can be had for < $60 if you shop around. I suppose a 4-gas unit would be better, though. And those aren't cheap.
South Pass City, approximately 90 miles north of Rock Springs, is a historic site administered by the state of Wyoming. It consists of over 30 log, frame, and stone buildings, along with the Carissa Mine and Stamp Mill.
South Pass City Historic Site
Recently, I’ve been going through my old VHS video tapes and digitizing them to DVDs. These tapes contain my travels and explorations between 1995 and 2009. I thought I’d start releasing some video shorts of my early travels on this forum.
The back story for this particular video is as follows. On March 30, 1996, I made a short hike of about a mile and a third up the lower third of Surprise Canyon, on the western slopes of the Panamint Range, Inyo County, California. This canyon is just outside of Death Valley National Park. This canyon has running water running year round through the stretch shown, fed by substantial Limekiln Springs, and the canyon is a water wonderland. For those not familiar with the area, refer to the two maps. The first one shows the canyon in relation to the region, the other a close up of the canyon and the ghost town of Panamint City. The blue line in the close up image shows the route that was taken.
My next series of videos will be based on a trip in 2000 that I took with Lew Shorb. Lew is a board member here, as well as owner of the popular website http://www.ghosttownexplorers.org/ghost.htm
In breaking with my past habit of culling out historical sites and ghost towns and creating short videos dealing with these, I decided to keep the exploring part of Explore Forums in and create videos of each day of my travel and exploration, including our camps. Scenery, travel, camping ghost towns and wide open spaces.
Part one of this series, as well as subsequent videos, will all appear here within this same thread. Part I will start in my garage, where I was finishing up with the packing my truck. The following day, after work, I begin my travels to meet Lew Shorb at Rhyolite, Nevada ghost town.
Our three day, two night travels prowled about the "Nevada Triangle" section of northeastern Death Valley National Park; and will include such sites as:
1. The Las Vegas & Tonopah Railroad
2. Gold Bar
3. Phinney Mine
4. Strozzi Ranch
5. Currie Well (LV&T RR)
6. Mud Springs Summit (LV&T RR)
7. Happy Hooligan Mine
This video, that of March 30th and 31st, will start off this series; and is brief, only being 3:28 long. Nevada-Triangle_Shorb-2000_Part-1.wmv
So, below is my narrative of part one of this series to give full context of what is seen in the video. It will probably take longer to read than the video is long.
Exploration Field Trips:
May 1-3, 2000
Trip with Alan Patera and Alan Hensher into Death Valley
What do you do with three authors, two 4x4’s, two two-way radios, three cameras, and camping supplies? Send them to Death Valley, of course. For three days in the first week of May, 2000, fellow authors and historical researchers Alan Patera, Alan Hensher and myself explored Death Valley north and south.
Alan Patera writes and publishes the WESTERN PLACES series of monograph books. Alan Hensher has been published in several periodicals as well as authoring several books, centering primarily on the history of Mojave Desert sites.
Alan Patera, who hails from Oregon, came south to California and picked up Alan Hensher; then the two came my way. At the time I was living in Ridgecrest, California. After overnighting with my wife and I, the three of us took off for Death Valley. Alan was busy researching and photographing for a future edition of WESTERN PLACES, this time centering on the camps of the Funeral Range, which forms the eastern border of east central Death Valley. Circumstances and changes of our journey lead Alan to plant the seeds of two more future books, this time centering just outside the northernmost section of Death Valley.
Northern Nevada, Southwestern Idaho
(and a Blip of Southeastern Oregon Thrown in for Good Measure)
June 19 - 28, 2001
This is the trip that I consider to be my favorite trip I have ever undertaken. It had been in the planning stages since the previous December. Originally, quite a number of people were invited and had semi-committed themselves to come along. Over time, however, eventually the number of people whose semi-commitments became firm commitments to this trip narrowed to four. And I was one of them.
Below, a list of historic locations we visited – in the order that we visited them:
1. Bodie & Benton Railway, California.
2. Stillwater, Nevada.
3. White Cloud City (Coppereid), Nevada.
4. Unionville, Nevada.
5. Midas, Nevada.
6. Spring City, Nevada.
7. Paradise Valley, Nevada.
8. Buckskin, Nevada.
9. National, Nevada.
10. Delamar, Idaho.
11. Silver City, Idaho.
12. Rio Tinto, Nevada.
13. Pattsville, Nevada.
14. Aura, Nevada.
15. Cornucopia, Nevada.
16. Edgemont, Nevada (from a distance – on private property)
17. White Rock, Nevada (from a distance – on private property)
18. Tuscaurora, Nevada.
19. Dinner Station, Nevada.
20. Metropolis, Nevada.
21. Charleston, Nevada.
22. Jarbidge, Nevada.