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  1. I'm not sure how close you can get to the pit operation. When I overlay satellite imagery over old topo maps, everything but the cemetery is now part of the pit. There may be artifacts and bits and pieces outside the immediate operating area, but I can imagine a world of trouble would await anyone caught within boundaries of the mining operation. To put it another way, there would have to be a hell of a tempting *something* in there for me to risk it.
  2. The first site you visited has more to see over the low ridge seen around 4:10 in the video. It's a bit of a hike, but worthwhile. Eagleville is also a worthwhile place to visit, not far from there, but far enough that you'll need to drive it. Sadly, the enormous ore bin there is in bad shape, but still (sorta) standing. I recommend you explore that area soon if anything else is of interest to you. Continue reading to learn why.... That second site isn't the "Rawhide" of old (i.e. the original town). The town and mines were further west and they really are gone due to the open pit mine. The cemetery is still there, though I'm not sure of its present condition. The place you poked around is actually 2 or 3 separate mines, and most of the claims are patented (owned free and clear). The Navy will most likely have that land in 2 years. What happens to the buildings afterwards, who knows. But they're not technically abandoned, since the land is held in fee by the current owners. Bob has been to that site, too, come to think of it. He put up a video in...2016(?). Another crew posted a video on the site about 3 years ago, and the Underground Explorers were there in 2014 (http://www.undergroundexplorers.com/uec-135-1.htm) They went down into the mine with the huge headframe. It appears to have 2 entrances/exits, because at the start they go in one way, and at the end they come out in a completely different area next to the headframe and some small buildings. Never managed to get there myself, and it looks like I never will due to the property ownership issues. I'm not going to pontificate about shooting bottles or the oil can. That's between you and yours. BTW the road in looked like crap. I can't imagine how anyone pulled a trailer in there. Must have been determined!
  3. Well, Hobbit holes appear to be rather airy, and admit a decent bit of sunlight, so I think your better 3/4 would be alright. As for height, I guess sometimes there are advantages to me being a short little shit.
  4. Lol. The only goats I like are 1) the silly 'fainting' ones and 2) the ones roasting on a spit that my Greek friends make. Maybe you could go underground. Get some land, claim you're going to do a little recreational mining, and build a very nice Hobbit Hole. When I was a kid I fell in love with the idea of Bilbo's home. In the movie it was more or less as I'd imagined. I'd live there if I didn't need the extra headroom.
  5. I haven't dug as deep as you have, but "AMR" - ag, mining, recreation. It's not zoned residential, at least not in a traditional R/R1/R3 scheme. Given the restrictions were passed in 2007, I think the object was to stop a big developer from grabbing cheap land and plunking down a subdivision. 2007 was just before the Great Recession, building was booming, land was cheap, and money was easy. I think that because: "has a plan for use of the property which will justify the change, and signs an agreement to implement and finalize the plan for new land use withing two years". I figure it left the county an easy out if someone bought up the land and started filing for permits. The fire station clause sounds like a "pay to play" - you want to build homes, you fund services. Since the state gets more involved in utilities than with local fire districts, it was probably an easy method for the county to poison pill any development by shady outfits without real $. What you do is start a "boutique" goat farm - Blackjack Pershing's Goat Cheese!, build the necessary structures, incl. home, to code, with permits, and be done with it. Then a year later, sell the goats, maybe turn one into stew and tacos, and call it good.
  6. What sorts of permit issues are involved?
  7. Question 1 Passed In Nevada

    No, that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying get rid of winner-take-all EC situations. Winner-take-all specifically disregards a large chunk of the population that doesn't agree with some other large chunk of the population. Right now CA gives its EC votes by winner-take-all. Which means if Trump took 40% of the vote and Hillary to 60% in CA, Hillary would get 100% of EC votes. That's effectively popular vote. If Trump won 40% of CA's EC votes and Hillary only won 60% of CA's EC votes, then you split them accordingly. Since any one EC vote is equal to any other EC vote you actually better represent a state's choice(s) that way. Winner-take-all is actually closer to decision by popular vote than the method I'm suggesting, and it would tend to decrease populous state influence, not increase it.
  8. Question 1 Passed In Nevada

    Off the top of my head (I haven't done the math), but I think even better would be to use the Maine/Nebraska system in place for presidential electoral college votes. They go by congressional district. That could easily work out into NV state senate and assembly districts. So a red district in a blue county (or most of a blue county, depending on how districts are drawn) has a voice. Just by comparison, Trump took almost 33% of the vote in California for 2016. But Clinton took all 55 EC votes because we're "winner take all". That would have reduced her electoral college take AND reduced her popular vote take (which is a stupid argument anyway, for the same reasons we're having this discussion to start with). Even if the election had gone a different way, it would truly be more representative. The 'winner take all' method represents the mob, nothing more.
  9. Who to tell if a place is a abandoned

    Yes. Pre-coffee.
  10. Who to tell if a place is a abandoned

    Those are a good start. There are tons of places not on the topo maps, though. It's better to get older state maps and then use something like Google Earth or Cal Topo to do a semi-transparent overlay. That's how I managed to find one poorly documented ghost town recently. Haven't been there yet, but I used GE to verify that I was looking at the right place. My friend, Drunk Mike, and I do the photo recon analyst schtick and come up with some interesting finds now and then. In terms of parties, I'm always up for that. I've been looking for an excuse to buy a cordless 5" angle grinder, too. Sure, bolt cutters work too - but power tools and sparks and shit spinning at 30k RPMs!! With the newer push over 4277 roads in the last 10 years, I've noticed that more and more roads are getting closed off because they don't appear to meet 4277 criteria. So land owners/users just assume they can close the road and block access. Deeds, easements, etc. mean nothing to most of these simpletons. Of course some roads are legitimately private, and I'll respect that, to the point of seeking permission from the landowner. I do get impatient though when the only thing I want is to pass over so I can get to a landlocked parcel, and I am unable to get any reply from the owner. I won't cut locks, but I will definitely park and walk if it comes to that.
  11. Question 1 Passed In Nevada

    The surest way to depose liberty is to elevate democracy.
  12. I'd certainly be interested, once you've done your shopping. I'd be curious to know whether any of the deeds grant subsurface rights - water, minerals, etc. or not. I'm assuming you've already checked zoning and county requirements for habitation - septic/sewer, etc. and checked for any RS2477 roads that might impact your plans? Personally, I think it would be interesting to build *underground* - you get the thermal blanket of dirt and maintain a much lower profile. Sort of like Owen and Beru's place on Tatooine, but not quite as large.
  13. Winches

    Until gravity wins and you end up in a hole that wasn't there 500 milliseconds ago. Then the winch is pretty much non-optional.
  14. Hello!!

    Wow, Bob posted!!!
  15. Winches

    I used to use a WARN in a receiver cradle. It was handy, but 99% of the time it lived in the bed of the truck. The overhang would have otherwise caused me all sorts of problems. Still, it's nice to winch from the front or back, and in a pinch, you can put it on another vehicle and EngiNerd the connections with a pair of jumper cables (totally not safe!).
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    • South Pass City, approximately 90 miles north of Rock Springs, is a historic site administered by the state of Wyoming.  It consists of over 30 log, frame, and stone buildings, along with the Carissa Mine and Stamp Mill.

      South Pass City Historic Site
    • Recently, I’ve been going through my old VHS video tapes and digitizing them to DVDs.  These tapes contain my travels and explorations between 1995 and 2009.  I thought I’d start releasing some video shorts of my early travels on this forum.

      The back story for this particular video is as follows.  On March 30, 1996, I made a short hike of about a mile and a third up the lower third of Surprise Canyon, on the western slopes of the Panamint Range, Inyo County, California.  This canyon is just outside of Death Valley National Park.  This canyon has running water running year round through the stretch shown, fed by substantial Limekiln Springs, and the canyon is a water wonderland.  For those not familiar with the area, refer to the two maps.  The first one shows the canyon in relation to the region, the other a close up of the canyon and the ghost town of Panamint City.  The blue line in the close up image shows the route that was taken.

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    • My next series of videos will be based on a trip in 2000 that I took with Lew Shorb.  Lew is a board member here, as well as owner of the popular website http://www.ghosttownexplorers.org/ghost.htm

      In breaking with my past habit of culling out historical sites and ghost towns and creating short videos dealing with these, I decided to keep the exploring part of Explore Forums in and create videos of each day of my travel and exploration, including our camps.  Scenery, travel, camping ghost towns and wide open spaces.

      Part one of this series, as well as subsequent videos, will all appear here within this same thread. Part I will start in my garage, where I was finishing up with the packing my truck.  The following day, after work, I begin my travels to meet Lew Shorb at Rhyolite, Nevada ghost town.

      Our three day, two night travels prowled about the "Nevada Triangle" section of northeastern Death Valley National Park; and will include such sites as:

      1. The Las Vegas & Tonopah Railroad
      2. Gold Bar
      3. Phinney Mine
      4. Strozzi Ranch
      5. Currie Well (LV&T RR)
      6. Mud Springs Summit (LV&T RR)
      7. Happy Hooligan Mine

      This video, that of March 30th and 31st, will start off this series; and is brief, only being 3:28 long.  Nevada-Triangle_Shorb-2000_Part-1.wmv

      So, below is my narrative of part one of this series to give full context of what is seen in the video.  It will probably take longer to read than the video is long.


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    • Exploration Field Trips:
      May 1-3, 2000
      Trip with Alan Patera and Alan Hensher into Death Valley

      What do you do with three authors, two 4x4’s, two two-way radios, three cameras, and camping supplies? Send them to Death Valley, of course. For three days in the first week of May, 2000, fellow authors and historical researchers Alan Patera, Alan Hensher and myself explored Death Valley north and south.

      Alan Patera writes and publishes the WESTERN PLACES series of monograph books.  Alan Hensher has been published in several periodicals as well as authoring several books, centering primarily on the history of Mojave Desert sites.

      Alan Patera, who hails from Oregon, came south to California and picked up Alan Hensher; then the two came my way. At the time I was living in Ridgecrest, California. After overnighting with my wife and I, the three of us took off for Death Valley.  Alan was busy researching and photographing for a future edition of WESTERN PLACES, this time centering on the camps of the Funeral Range, which forms the eastern border of east central Death Valley.  Circumstances and changes of our journey lead Alan to plant the seeds of two more future books, this time centering just outside the northernmost section of Death Valley.


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    • Reconnoitering Trips
      Northern Nevada, Southwestern Idaho
      (and a Blip of Southeastern Oregon Thrown in for Good Measure)
      June 19 - 28, 2001

      This is the trip that I consider to be my favorite trip I have ever undertaken.  It had been in the planning stages since the previous December.  Originally, quite a number of people were invited and had semi-committed themselves to come along.  Over time, however, eventually the number of people whose semi-commitments became firm commitments to this trip narrowed to four.  And I was one of them.

      Below, a list of historic locations we visited – in the order that we visited them:

      1. Bodie & Benton Railway, California.
      2. Stillwater, Nevada.
      3. White Cloud City (Coppereid), Nevada.
      4. Unionville, Nevada.
      5. Midas, Nevada.
      6. Spring City, Nevada.
      7. Paradise Valley, Nevada.
      8. Buckskin, Nevada.
      9. National, Nevada.
      10. Delamar, Idaho.
      11. Silver City, Idaho.
      12. Rio Tinto, Nevada.
      13. Pattsville, Nevada.
      14. Aura, Nevada.
      15. Cornucopia, Nevada.
      16. Edgemont, Nevada (from a distance – on private property)
      17. White Rock, Nevada (from a distance – on private property)
      18. Tuscaurora, Nevada.
      19. Dinner Station, Nevada.
      20. Metropolis, Nevada.
      21. Charleston, Nevada.
      22. Jarbidge, Nevada.
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