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I try to stay on top of it, but I'm just one dude. I don't have the luxury of sitting on the board and nuking the stuff as it shows. We really need Bob to implement some controls (I can't), but he's sorta MIA making a living. :/
I saw a bear Monday morning. I saw this guy Monday, just before 1900.
desertdog started following Blew my Jeep Engine, I need major help! and More Abandoned Places and Volunteer Cabins in Alpine CA.
I had my 2004 Tacoma until late 2012. When I got rid of it (merely because of size and space issues + growing family), it had under 40k on it. A good chunk of that was highway miles to/from where I was going. But there were also a significant number of miles involving some *very* hard use offroad. I never intentionally abused it, and it was always properly maintained. Whoever ended up with it was not getting a 'granny wagon', though. That truck carried a lot of dead stuff back home, went to some freaking wild places, and was put through its paces. Still miss that little rig, too.
No, that's not the real reason. If it was, the water would be closed to fishing more likely than not. Especially since it holds a species of trout originally native to California, vs an imported/hatchery species (or hybrid). If nothing else, it's good to live in a state like Montana or Idaho where the locals will protest the USFS or BLM at every turn. Compare that to California, where the vast majority of sheep see the Feds as their great 'Mommy in Washington' and cheer their completely asinine actions at every turn.
So Meiss Meadows is on the upper Truckee River and holds some sort of rare, native cutthroat trout (Lahontan, maybe). So anyone who goes near the river (a creek at that point, really) might injure the fish! Still surprised that area is open to fishing. I did catch-n-release a few, but I'm sure I committed some Federal offense in the process. We know the USFS doesn't want us using the land for anything, except a random hike. On trail. But that's it.
That's really interesting (saw your recent vid last night as well). If the cabin is part of a lease and the leaseholder wants to keep it secure, that's fine. I'm not even sure how you are finding these cabins, and I did give it some thought, so I suspect that not many other people are finding them, or likely to find them. If you have to hike 5+ miles in, the types of people that will find them are not the types of people that would likely vandalize them. However, there is always an exception to the rule. The cabin at Meiss Meadow is locked, yet the ones in Bear Trap and Jelmini are not. I can't understand what significant difference there is between them, but that's the reality. There's actually one off Highway 4 (you may have been to it, I've only seen it from the aerial images) that seems odd. But looking at historical imagery going back a few years, the roof has changed a little, suggesting some sort of use or maintenance. There are probably more out there no one knows about, long forgotten, rotting away. Look at it this way - you know where these places are, you've documented the environment and the conditions, and there is now at least some sort of record of the place. Otherwise, they all eventually disappear from our collective knowledge, forever.
The ones deep in wilderness areas were probably there before the wilderness area existed as such. I do bump into that in CA from time to time. The USFS is constantly working to buy out private inholdings, so it could just be something that escaped notice. That's a cool looking piece of quartz (sort of has a feldspar shear to it, though). I would have carried it back - I don't find near-perfect slabs that size very often. I probably would have looked for more and brought whatever my pack and my back could handle. But that's just me, and I'm known to be a little bit of a hard charger when it comes to stuff like that. I'm sure I'll regret it in 10 years when my spine is nothing more that gooey grit and my knees have to be replaced!
I'm not sure if mylandmatters is 100% accurate - that is a concern I have. I think they pull from LR2000, which means it's only as good as government data! I remember reading in the rules/regs about different fee structures based on the type of mine, # of claims held, and other factors I forget. That could be part of it. Generally I just use it as a guide to know if I'm trespassing or not. It's hard to say no when they look at you like that. And I've got 2 girls - the 2nd one hasn't figured out how exploitable I am. That will change in a few more years. I found it's easier to just say "Yes, dear." And do their bidding. "I don't want to get wet going across the river. Will you carry me?" "Yes, dear." Ugh.
I guess I wasn't clear. There is no "squatting" on a patented claim. You own a patented claim - the land, the minerals below, etc. You don't pay fees on it (other than property taxes to the State or county). For an unpatented claim, it seems common to locate a claim, pay your initial fees to secure the claim, and then do a little work and assay the ore. If the assay comes back bad, or not economical, you let the claim lapse. In terms of paying for a claim and not working it, it could be for future plans, speculation (common), or because 'life' got in the way. Hard to say for sure without asking a person. As far as MLM goes, it is slow, but usable. You're looking for a section of land that lists claims (lode or placer). The info tool will bring up a window that will let you link to the BLM's records. Those usually have names. From there you can search a county recorder's records for that name (online in most cases) and find out who owns the claim or the land.
That place is awesome. I just got to thinking - I'm pretty sure that's in one of the X deer zones. I'd have to grab a map and look, but if so, it wouldn't even see many hunters. And if you had one of those tags, what a cool little spot to make camp. Your little girl is as goofy as mine. Tying shoes halfway across? Check. Possibly brave to a fault? Check. Easily rattled when dad decides to mess with her? Check. Pretty sure mine would have ended up in the drink, though. Actually, I take that back. She would have made me carry her through the creek on my back, Hell be had if my boots get soaked. (Yes, she did that to me on the east Walker several weeks ago...). Yours is a great little exploring buddy!
mylandmatters.com is usually my starting point. From there I can get enough information to get more info from LR2000 or the county recorder. There used to be 2 types of mining claims in the US - patented and unpatented. Only unpatented-type claims are still possible. If memory serves, this mine is a patented claim, made before they disallowed them (I think in the mid-70's, but I'm not sure I recall correctly). An unpatented claim means you hold a license to the mineral rights concurrent with certain rights of entry, along with certain exclusive use rights, to the land. That's typical what exists now. In days past, you could work a mine long enough to file for a patent. Since all mineral claims originally stemmed from the Federal government, a patent application was made, in effect saying "I worked the mine as required under law, now I'd like to make this land my own." The government would verify some facts and data, and hand you a land patent. That meant you owned the land free and clear from that point forward; all title vested in the applicant, and the United States of America simultaneous was divested of title in the land. It's similar to the old homesteading acts, and was meant to encourage people to work the land (be it for agriculture or minerals). In the end, your 'reward' was title to the land itself, if you wanted it. It's loosely based on the labor theory of real property, i.e. if you worked the land in some useful, productive way, your labor input automatically should create title in the land against all others. But, that was America. This is...I don't know what this is. Or at least, I don't know what California is.
I want to get into that mine so bad. But I don't want to trespass, and I can't get the listed owners to return letters/calls. Ugh. So frustrating.
desertdog replied to NevadaGeigle's topic in Abandoned Places, Ghost Towns and Historic Sites Current StatusSpicer is off limits now - I think they’re using it as a water source. Donnell is still understaffed though. Listening to radio traffic - they’re extending some ground crew shifts due to lack of personnel and aircraft.
Ugh, that sucks. 4.0 motor? Those should be a dime-a-dozen at the local wreckers. Of course condition is always a concern, so you might go with a rebuild anyway. Fortunately, the 4.0 is easy to tear down (even maybe a little easier than the AMC 4.2 in the CJ). Get the deck and the heads machined and trued up, new rings and bearings, perhaps a good valve grinding, and you'll be back in business. Anyway, how'd you blow it up? I took mine off an hour after I picked it up. But the rock chips got excessive. I took the flaps and trimmed them short, then put them back on. Now the flaps seem to be the 'right' length and I don't sandblast the crap out of my truck.
South Pass City, approximately 90 miles north of Rock Springs, is a historic site administered by the state of Wyoming. It consists of over 30 log, frame, and stone buildings, along with the Carissa Mine and Stamp Mill.
South Pass City Historic Site
Recently, I’ve been going through my old VHS video tapes and digitizing them to DVDs. These tapes contain my travels and explorations between 1995 and 2009. I thought I’d start releasing some video shorts of my early travels on this forum.
The back story for this particular video is as follows. On March 30, 1996, I made a short hike of about a mile and a third up the lower third of Surprise Canyon, on the western slopes of the Panamint Range, Inyo County, California. This canyon is just outside of Death Valley National Park. This canyon has running water running year round through the stretch shown, fed by substantial Limekiln Springs, and the canyon is a water wonderland. For those not familiar with the area, refer to the two maps. The first one shows the canyon in relation to the region, the other a close up of the canyon and the ghost town of Panamint City. The blue line in the close up image shows the route that was taken.
My next series of videos will be based on a trip in 2000 that I took with Lew Shorb. Lew is a board member here, as well as owner of the popular website http://www.ghosttownexplorers.org/ghost.htm
In breaking with my past habit of culling out historical sites and ghost towns and creating short videos dealing with these, I decided to keep the exploring part of Explore Forums in and create videos of each day of my travel and exploration, including our camps. Scenery, travel, camping ghost towns and wide open spaces.
Part one of this series, as well as subsequent videos, will all appear here within this same thread. Part I will start in my garage, where I was finishing up with the packing my truck. The following day, after work, I begin my travels to meet Lew Shorb at Rhyolite, Nevada ghost town.
Our three day, two night travels prowled about the "Nevada Triangle" section of northeastern Death Valley National Park; and will include such sites as:
1. The Las Vegas & Tonopah Railroad
2. Gold Bar
3. Phinney Mine
4. Strozzi Ranch
5. Currie Well (LV&T RR)
6. Mud Springs Summit (LV&T RR)
7. Happy Hooligan Mine
This video, that of March 30th and 31st, will start off this series; and is brief, only being 3:28 long. Nevada-Triangle_Shorb-2000_Part-1.wmv
So, below is my narrative of part one of this series to give full context of what is seen in the video. It will probably take longer to read than the video is long.
Exploration Field Trips:
May 1-3, 2000
Trip with Alan Patera and Alan Hensher into Death Valley
What do you do with three authors, two 4x4’s, two two-way radios, three cameras, and camping supplies? Send them to Death Valley, of course. For three days in the first week of May, 2000, fellow authors and historical researchers Alan Patera, Alan Hensher and myself explored Death Valley north and south.
Alan Patera writes and publishes the WESTERN PLACES series of monograph books. Alan Hensher has been published in several periodicals as well as authoring several books, centering primarily on the history of Mojave Desert sites.
Alan Patera, who hails from Oregon, came south to California and picked up Alan Hensher; then the two came my way. At the time I was living in Ridgecrest, California. After overnighting with my wife and I, the three of us took off for Death Valley. Alan was busy researching and photographing for a future edition of WESTERN PLACES, this time centering on the camps of the Funeral Range, which forms the eastern border of east central Death Valley. Circumstances and changes of our journey lead Alan to plant the seeds of two more future books, this time centering just outside the northernmost section of Death Valley.
Northern Nevada, Southwestern Idaho
(and a Blip of Southeastern Oregon Thrown in for Good Measure)
June 19 - 28, 2001
This is the trip that I consider to be my favorite trip I have ever undertaken. It had been in the planning stages since the previous December. Originally, quite a number of people were invited and had semi-committed themselves to come along. Over time, however, eventually the number of people whose semi-commitments became firm commitments to this trip narrowed to four. And I was one of them.
Below, a list of historic locations we visited – in the order that we visited them:
1. Bodie & Benton Railway, California.
2. Stillwater, Nevada.
3. White Cloud City (Coppereid), Nevada.
4. Unionville, Nevada.
5. Midas, Nevada.
6. Spring City, Nevada.
7. Paradise Valley, Nevada.
8. Buckskin, Nevada.
9. National, Nevada.
10. Delamar, Idaho.
11. Silver City, Idaho.
12. Rio Tinto, Nevada.
13. Pattsville, Nevada.
14. Aura, Nevada.
15. Cornucopia, Nevada.
16. Edgemont, Nevada (from a distance – on private property)
17. White Rock, Nevada (from a distance – on private property)
18. Tuscaurora, Nevada.
19. Dinner Station, Nevada.
20. Metropolis, Nevada.
21. Charleston, Nevada.
22. Jarbidge, Nevada.