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A couple months ago here in northern Nevada an ammo company was looking for a place to shoot out to 2.5 miles, my friend (used to be sponsored by them) I showed them an area out off the 95N just south of the I-80. They seemed like good folks at first so I spent a couple days with them in our beautiful desert shooting. We all left the first time, no trash cleaned up, then afterwards they came out again, didn' invite me, ok fine no big deal, they put out a video of them doing a 2,500 yard shot in my spot a couple months later. Yesterday I went out with a friend to shoot long range out there, we set up our targets, go to the shooting position at the mine entrances. There is an old collapsed house up there I start walking around and find a grill they left, then I find about 20 foam ear plugs, bags of trash, soda cans, and wood and soda cams tossed into a hole about 7 foot deep, I called them out about it and they are saying I staged it! Ha, yeah ok. Can't trust folks one bit. I am mad at myself for showing them this area. I cleaned it all up and threw it away for em. 

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These bozos would be the first to scream first ammendment rights if the area was closed to shooting or if gun laws became stricter. :25stompstompmad: It is people like them that only add fuel to the anti gun fight.

I am happy to hear that company higher ups will take action. They ought to demote these guys to brass and trash pickup detail at public lands and reduce their pay to minimum wage. The company could use that in good will advertising and maybe help change public perception while getting a tax break.

Good on you for being responsible and taking the initiative for taking action for their irresonsibility. :thumbsup:

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I spend a lot of time with competitive long range shooters, all of them slowly pulling me into their trade.  They are all professionals, disciplined, dedicated, and they're not shooting gongs at 1.5 miles.  They're shooting bulls and 10's at that distance, sub MOA, and never satisfied.  It's a beautiful thing.

From what you've said, and what I've seen in their YT feed, these guys are the kind of people I stay away from.  You know, the "Buh...do you even 'AR', Bro?  Bro??  BRO!!?  AR!! DO YOU OR DON'T YOU?  <insert grunt here>"  They're a superset of the same morons that "long range hunt" - taking 800 yard pokes at elk and mule deer, and wounding - but rarely killing - the poor bastards.  I am convinced there is an extra-special place in Hell for them.

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Hopefully they learn a lesson.....   There are asshats in every group, often they will never learn..  sometimes they do.  Hopefully this will be the latter case.

Did the video they posted have location references?  Hopefully they didn't just give everyone the location.

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1 hour ago, braindead0 said:

Hopefully they learn a lesson.....   There are asshats in every group, often they will never learn..  sometimes they do.  Hopefully this will be the latter case.

Did the video they posted have location references?  Hopefully they didn't just give everyone the location.

No thankfully it didn't have any location references. They just said they were in Fallon. 

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AR bro comments from @desertdog reminded me...  Years ago I was doing a lot of competitive shooting, seemed everyone brought .223 AR's to 3-gun matches... not me... .308 FAL with an 18" barrel.. that's my close quarters firearm of choice.  They'd have stages setup where you have to engage targets at close range, the muzzle blast often shredded the cardboard IDPA targets..... hilarious stuff.  Had one I was supposed to put 2 in, first shot tore the target in half and both parts fell on the ground, so I put one more in each half causing them to launch 10' further down range.  Needless to say, I always shot last ;-)

do you FAL bro? ;-)

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On 1/16/2018 at 8:48 AM, braindead0 said:

AR bro comments from @desertdog reminded me...  Years ago I was doing a lot of competitive shooting, seemed everyone brought .223 AR's to 3-gun matches... not me... .308 FAL with an 18" barrel.. that's my close quarters firearm of choice.  They'd have stages setup where you have to engage targets at close range, the muzzle blast often shredded the cardboard IDPA targets..... hilarious stuff.  Had one I was supposed to put 2 in, first shot tore the target in half and both parts fell on the ground, so I put one more in each half causing them to launch 10' further down range.  Needless to say, I always shot last ;-)

do you FAL bro? ;-)

That is one rifle I do not own, and wish I did.  With all the stupid laws in California, I won't bother now.  In fact, I'm not sure I've ever even fired a FAL.

Though I did own one of its predecessors - an FN49 in 8mmx57JS.  Recently, a friend of mine scored a '49 in 30-06, which was my Holy Grail for many years.  Beautiful rifle in all regards. 

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I like a hard working 'tractor'..  the AR's always struck me as dainty little prima-donna's.. if you keep up on maintenance and keep them adjusted I'm sure they're very reliable.  I just remember too many AR's holding up the firing line at competitions...  My FAL has never let me down, thousands of rounds... and I clean it..meh.. whenever I feel like it ;-)  Just keeps on shooting, like a farm implement..

If I lived in CA I'd probably have to cull my collection a bit.... 

Let me know if your coming out here and want to get some shooting done!

 

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23 hours ago, braindead0 said:

I like a hard working 'tractor'..  the AR's always struck me as dainty little prima-donna's.. if you keep up on maintenance and keep them adjusted I'm sure they're very reliable.  I just remember too many AR's holding up the firing line at competitions...  My FAL has never let me down, thousands of rounds... and I clean it..meh.. whenever I feel like it ;-)  Just keeps on shooting, like a farm implement..

If I lived in CA I'd probably have to cull my collection a bit.... 

Let me know if your coming out here and want to get some shooting done!

 

So after screwing around with AR-pattern rifles for the last....12 years, I've learned a few things. 

First is that quality varies massively among brands, and sometimes even within a brand.  I've seen oversized and undersized gas ports on barrels and gas blocks, misthreaded castle nuts, improperly drilled hammer and trigger holes, poorly broached magazine wells, and the list goes on. 

Then, you've got the Lego Kids that put together an AR of various parts, don't own any precision measuring tools, and expect it to Just Work.  I think about 80% of the functional failures I see are due to people just slapping in 'cool' parts improperly. 

I've built (as in installed barrels, pinned gas blocks, and milled lowers) a number of AR rifles and one AR pistol.  I haven't had any failures yet, but I also took the time to check all my dimensions and to match parts properly.  I have one in 300AAC sitting in the rack that's never been fired, so soon enough we'll see if I can keep up the streak. :)

I will be out that way sometime in early April.  I need to take the renewal course for my NV CCW and hand the WCSO bureaucratic papers and negotiable papers. :)

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That makes sense.  Properly built/setup/maintained and they are a work horse.  All of the gunsmiths that I shot with had perfectly working AR's .. then there were people who couldn't keep anything running smoothly...

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I am no fan of ARs but I have ran them for 3 gun, I did a 3 gun comp once with an SKS lol. I have not done any competitions in almost three years, except for the occasional LR/ELR/PRS type. Since I dropped my sponsors and an unpredictable work schedule its hard sometimes to find time to compete. This Saturday I'll be out in Dixie hunting yotes in the morning and exploring our the rest of the day. 

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Gods, I'm glad to see others loving on the FAL and dubious of the AR. I'm most familiar with the AR platform over all others due to my Army service, but I've never been a big fan. And to be honest, the whole year I was in Iraq I carried an M16A3 and I never truly felt 100% confident in it. That's a nervous way to be for a year. I came home and sold the AR I had (don't miss cleaning that #@$! star chamber either) and kept the AK. That AK will work no matter what-- a true field rifle.

Always wanted an FN-FAL, but they're so damned expensive.

As for those chowderheads that messed up the target range, I would have recommend relocating a few dozen rattlesnakes to the area, but then I'm like that. Area denial for the win. However I'm glad to hear that they got dealt with in a slightly more civilized manner.

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On 1/19/2018 at 9:30 AM, braindead0 said:

That makes sense.  Properly built/setup/maintained and they are a work horse.  All of the gunsmiths that I shot with had perfectly working AR's .. then there were people who couldn't keep anything running smoothly...

Those are usually the same folks that either don't understand the workings of a DI firearm, or use channel locks to remove flash hiders and WD-40 for lubricant. 
One of my SAR teammates is an Inactive Duty Marine (his term), and his personal experience in Iraq was the use of dry lube (graphite) is superior to use of anything liquid.  He swears it kept everything from AR's to BMG's running, so I may try that with one and see how it does. 

Personally, I'd much rather have a piston-operated semi than DI, which leads me right back to the M1A or the Garand. 

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Graphite seems like a good choice, in a dusty environment grease/oil will attract dirt and can make a mess.  I've got a can of industrial equipment graphite lube, sprays like a fire hose though.. ;-)

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17 hours ago, braindead0 said:

Graphite seems like a good choice, in a dusty environment grease/oil will attract dirt and can make a mess.  I've got a can of industrial equipment graphite lube, sprays like a fire hose though.. ;-)

Is that the stuff suspended in a light and very volatile solvent?  I have a small can - it's sold for locks and such. 

The only concern I have with graphite is I have read in several places that water vapor is essential to its lubricity.  Water molecules weaken the bonds between the hexagonal plates, allowing them to slide.  In a place like Iraqistan, I would think you'd have problems.  But it could be that even the most austere levels of relative humidity are sufficient for this purpose.  I know a vacuum is out of the question, hence the use of 6-boron nitride. 

As much as I dislike the "Torture Test" genre, it would be interesting to do some real-world tests with different lubricant families, with quantifiable data. 

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The stuff I have uses a very volatile solvent, turns your fingers black and dry almost instantly..  I don't use it on firearms, I usually clean with eds red which has some lubricating properties, and then use very little rem-oil on key points.  My daily carry is a J-frame, never really bothered lubricating it, stays in a pocket in a holster.. so not much dirt collecting there..lint doesn't cause any issues that I've noticed...

I may try dupont teflon chain lube, if it's good enough for my motorcycle chain.. maybe good enough for the slide on my glock ;-)

My dad never lubricated anything, cleaned with hoppes and that's it.  Said that's what he was taught in the service... everything he owns shoots well...

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My dad's the same way.  Hoppes and done. 

I clean my daily carry now and then, more if it's warm and things are getting damp.  I'm more concerned about rust than anything else. 

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I think this is the same video you're talking about: 

It appears they are shooting over several dirt roads, and the target is set up right next to another dirt road. I am not a rat, nor do I really care, but it's illegal to shoot across roads, so they may want to learn the laws before they head out and shoot again. It's people like them who ruin it for the rest of us, but it's not your fault, you were just trying to be a nice guy and help them out. I have seen so many local target practice locations shut down due to all the trash and garbage left behind. 

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Sadly we can't stop people from being asshats....  in particular when it comes to public property... often people think that means they can trash it at will. 

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I hate vandals & people who leave messes at shooting areas & exploring areas.. I will admit I rarely pick up my brass but I justify that by saying "It soon becomes part of the environment & then you don't really see it". I have been going to a public range (5 Dogs) the last 5 or so years for the convenience & because they have restrooms lol.

Off topic parts below:

Love my FAL and my AR and my AK variants. Only problem I've had with my AR was failure to extract due to a weak extractor spring. So now a days I use the extra power springs along with that tiny rubber thing that fits inside the spring. Other than that, I've been blessed with a problem free AR!

Initially, I had numerous problems with my AK-74. Mostly failure to feed. I diddled around with the mag well since the mags (from numerous different Countries) sat in the well a bit oddly. So, after many hours of filing & Dremelling & bending, it works great without any issue. Well, it has one issue, the receiver has a few extra bends & scratches & etc & looks rather ugly!

My FAL has been problem free!

I built all my rifles from kits (except the AR, it was from carefully selected parts) and I bought the kits before the barrel ban so I have nice original CHF barrels. I did put an Argentine barrel on my FAL rather than the G1 it came with since I wanted a threaded barrel.

I clean my rifles about every year or so. None of them really need it any more often. Even my AR is problem free with only a yearly cleaning. I do clean my PSL after each session since I am using corrosive ammo most of the time. If I shoot 7N6 in my '74 I also clean it after each range session.

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Same here. The only good "littler at a shooting range" in my opinion is the paper cartridges left for tourists to pick up at a reenactment.  As for muttley vandals, F&*$ THEM ALL.  However, for gun tastes, I use black powder when I can.  Other than that I only use small game air guns(co2 bb handguns and .177 cal pellet rifles).  Other than that I've always stuck to "playing" airsoft and paintball.  "With all intent to kill myself and my foe" Depending on who has the upperhand.  In that case, my Submachines and machines are AEGs, my revolvers gas, and everything else is spring.  With low power spring shotguns, I love to commit suicide after being captured.  Typically one airsoft pellet just above the left ear does it since I am left handed.  https://www.google.com/search?q=pain+in+temple+above+left+ear&rlz=1C1EJFA_enUS781US784&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi4tZGa0ovaAhWQvlMKHWJpDHoQ_AUIDCgD&biw=1600&bih=794#imgrc=3t-E2KsLxjQ2OM:

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